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asked 2015-07-16 12:10:24 -0500

AbdulAlhazred gravatar image

Is there a functioning package management GUI on FC22? So far I find that 'Apper' seems to be the application of choice in the KDE spin, judging by the fact that it is the only thing that shows up anywhere in the menus. However it doesn't work, you can't search due to the backend not supporting SearchGroups, making it virtually useless.

I was informed that Apper was poop, I should use yumex, but yumex too is non-functional, complaining that policyKit doesn't allow it to start yum, etc etc etc.

So, basically, it appears that FC22 just doesn't HAVE a package manager UI that actually works, is this correct?

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You'll probably get more and better answers if you try to be more objective and less argumentative in how you phrase your questions. I was tempted to reject your question as too argumentative but decided not to because you did ask a legitimate, Fedora-related question. Good luck, and I hope we can tell you what you need to know.

sideburns gravatar imagesideburns ( 2015-07-16 14:02:26 -0500 )edit

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answered 2015-07-16 12:45:47 -0500

Yumex runs with yum (so Fedora 21 and below). You can use yumex-dnf which works with dnf and Fedora 22. Software, embedded gnome package manager, works great. I don't have clue for KDE.

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There's also (at a lower level than “Software”) “Packages” (gpk-application) for searching for specific packages (where “Software” allows only browsing of packages with special user-facing app-info)

BRPocock gravatar imageBRPocock ( 2015-07-16 17:03:20 -0500 )edit

gpk-application is part of package gnome-packagekit-installer...

florian gravatar imageflorian ( 2016-04-21 09:18:42 -0500 )edit

answered 2015-07-16 19:32:29 -0500

AbdulAlhazred gravatar image

Thanks, I did dig around some more and installed yumex-dnf, which DOES run, but ironically again comes up with another policykit "no permission to do this" type error when I actually try to install a package. Something is just not right with policyKit somehow? This is a very vanilla install on a vbox VM, nothing odd happened during install, etc. I really don't know anything about policyKit and I'm pretty much stuck.

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Packages need to be installed by a privileged user. These applications check, using polkit, to see if your user is an "Administrator" of the system (ie member of the wheel group) and allows the installation to continue without prompting. If your user is not a member, it probably should prompt for root credentials. Run the application as an appropriately privileged user, and it should work.

randomuser gravatar imagerandomuser ( 2015-07-16 21:52:56 -0500 )edit

No, yumex (all flavors) give you a nasty message and exit if run as root. My user is in 'wheel' (IE I checked the 'make this user and administrator' box when I installed). So, I have, in theory, all the permissions I need, except in practice I don't! Something clearly is VERY rough here in FC land. I won't quite call FC22 'unusable', but it certainly is for an inexperienced user (I've been using Linux since before many posters here were born, frighteningly enough...).

AbdulAlhazred gravatar imageAbdulAlhazred ( 2015-07-17 13:48:52 -0500 )edit

answered 2016-04-20 23:43:44 -0500

spariant gravatar image

Old question, but maybe the op didn't consider this: An already running instance of apper prevents yumex-dnf from launching easily. This may be the "policykit" error.

Try killing the apper process (using the system monitor gui) before running yumex-dnf?

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answered 2015-07-17 08:21:26 -0500

pnadk gravatar image

I agreee that the state of package management under KDE is quite sad. Apper can not show groups, and yumex-dnf often can not resolve dependencies, so you are left with using the command-line. dnf has some of the same commands as yum, so for example dnf search, or dnf update work as they should.

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Is it just a level of horrible neglect of the KDE spin? I certainly think the plasma desktop is fairly nice, but the configuration on this distro is so rough that I wouldn't in a million years point anyone to it that isn't a serious linux person and really likes KDE. I think FC is great in terms of being cutting-edge and working well as a platform for client-server development, but OUCH!

AbdulAlhazred gravatar imageAbdulAlhazred ( 2015-07-17 13:51:00 -0500 )edit

LOL, agreed. That's why I just use yum/dnf on command line.

abadrinath gravatar imageabadrinath ( 2015-07-18 00:10:30 -0500 )edit

This Fedora KDE release has been the most unstable for me so far with graphics glitches, disappearing desktop settings, etc. I would not recommend it to a new user either.

pnadk gravatar imagepnadk ( 2015-07-19 12:11:08 -0500 )edit

That's too bad, maybe I'll just wait for FC23 and hope its better, though it sounds like many of these problems have been ongoing for the last 5 releases or so. Maybe its just time to find another distro... I always HATE switching, lol.

AbdulAlhazred gravatar imageAbdulAlhazred ( 2015-07-20 14:57:40 -0500 )edit

One could argue that it is the price of running the cutting edge distribution. If you switch to openSUSE you will get the previous but more stable KDE desktop. Personally, I will stick with Fedora for a while because there are annoyances but no real showstoppers.

pnadk gravatar imagepnadk ( 2015-07-21 04:44:31 -0500 )edit

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