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Where is the Fedora Documentation

asked 2017-09-05 02:21:10 -0600

jimc52 gravatar image

updated 2017-09-05 03:08:16 -0600

I just downloaded Fedora 26 Workstation to try it out. I want several of the LAB modules...but when I click on LEARN MORE button, I get a 404 error...so can anyone give me instructions on how to add the modules (like Astronomy or Python) to workstation? I don't want to re_download all of Fedora again...just some of the modules.

The page on Fedora Labs...go down towards the bottom and click on INSTALLING button...

https://labs.fedoraproject.org/

The error I get when LEARN MORE (INSTALLING) is c!icked...

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/_image...

Second...where is all the Fedora user documentation retained? Years ago, I used Fedora...like Fedor 8 and there were tons of support docs then. Documentation is extremely important in my decision to use a distro.

So iplease share with me a few of your best support resource links on the internet...including any forms or Wiki's. I appreciate all inputs. Thank you.

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Also you can use groups. e.g. dnf group list | grep -i python. OR even Docker

haghighi gravatar imagehaghighi ( 2017-09-05 03:02:54 -0600 )edit

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answered 2017-09-05 04:10:42 -0600

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updated 2017-09-05 06:58:00 -0600

Welcome to ASk.fedora , respect to your question about documentation, this is changing a lot, the new documentation you can find here :

  1. Docs

The old documentation you can find here :

  1. docs-old

and also REDHAT documentation is a value option in fedora :

  1. red-hat

Respect to your question about LABS you can download via torrent here :

  1. torrent

NOTE: some LABS are available in groups by @MrRolling describe, I also open a ticket in REDHAT Bugzilla here about the issue...

Regards.,

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answered 2017-09-06 00:21:37 -0600

jimc52 gravatar image

Thank you. I am impressed. I read all of the report...broken links, old docs...etc. I hope you get this fixed as it was mentioned there were no plans to fix it...it made me feel like Red Hat/Fedora had just abandoned all user support of it's products and work. Just another indication of our crumbling social and intellectual infrastructure and technological downfall. I will check back again and see what, if anything, is actually done. My recommendation is to remove the Labs offering until...if/when this gets fixed. Thank you again.

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answered 2017-09-05 09:42:29 -0600

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How am I supposed to respond? Did you check out your references?

  1. That page contains no extensive database or knowledge base of Fedora other than release notes which I already read. Don't users ever ask for information for documentation. If you are not sure of what I mean...check out Debian or Ubuntu. That is called...documentation.

  2. Old docs...really? I need support docs for recent version of Fedora.

  3. I wrote I downloaded Fedora 26 WORKSTATION...not Red Hat Server.

  4. It is not the speed of download transmission that is the problem...I am asking for the Astronomy and Python packages without re_downloading the entire Fedora 26 Distro...just the packages. It says...if you read...I can just download and install them...but the How To ends in a 404 error.

So I have to submit a bugzilla report to tell Red Hat to check out it's own site...to discover it hasn't done it's job? Doesn't Fedora care what it has to offer? I am left with a deeply disconcerted impression of lack of competence!!! Obviously things are changing...I can't believe Fedora has fallen from 3rd place in 2006 compared to today as 7th place on Distro Watch. I see why. Why doesn't Red Hat just dispense with Fedora and sell server software? As a metaphoric example...this is like creating a spaceship to go to Mars without having first built a rocket to get it into space.

I will look at the live distro...but I seriously doubt I will do a permanent install or recommend Fedora to anyone.

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answered 2017-09-06 01:12:17 -0600

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To answer your actual question, regarding the Labs: The labs software bundles are not, AFAIK, installable into an existing Fedora installation. The component software that makes up a Lab is all installalble via the package manager, but the bundles are distributed only as install images. The (outdated) documentation that you failed to reach wouldn't have answered your question anyway, as it would've only referenced downloading and installing Fedora itself. That's because that page was created as a copy of the Fedora Spins page (since Labs grew out of Spins), and Spins were likewise distributed only as install images.

All of this is not, IMHO, made sufficiently clear on the current Labs page, which says confusing things like

You can download these tools as complete Fedora image, or you can install them using a software manager on an existing Fedora installation.

when it should say something more like,

You can download these tools as complete Fedora image. All of the Labs applications are also available for installation on an existing Fedora installation using the Software tool.

So, long and short, if you have an existing Fedora installation and want to try out the components of some of the Labs, you can use the Labs site to browse the list of what applications make up each lab, and install any that interest you (individually) using Software or commandline dnf. There is nothing in Labs bundles that isn't available to every Fedora installation via the package manager, they're merely collections of packages that come preinstalled in the live image.

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answered 2017-09-05 10:43:27 -0600

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Thank you for reporting, this issue is due to a path change in the docs and affects all websites. We are trying to get it fixed ASAP, in the meanwhile you can follow our websites ticket here: https://pagure.io/fedora-websites/iss...

The docs ticket is here: https://pagure.io/docs-fp-o/issue/33

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@robyduck THX for your quick reply I suppose that, regards.,

hhlp gravatar imagehhlp ( 2017-09-05 10:53:44 -0600 )edit
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answered 2017-09-07 10:00:41 -0600

jimc52 gravatar image

Now finally...that is the answer I was looking for! Is there an available page listing the installable programs for each lab? Thank you for this answer.

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Well, in fairness, your post didn't actually ask the question I answered. It asked, "Where is the Fedora Documentation?" — and others answered that question. Regardless, if you found my answer helpful, please feel free to Upvote and/or Accept it (using the checkmark under the up/down vote arrows).

FeRDNYC gravatar imageFeRDNYC ( 2017-09-08 06:59:27 -0600 )edit

Regarding the program lists, that's a bit of a complex question (though it probably shouldn't be). For all six of the Labs, you can visit the Labs website, click on the lab you're interested in, and the page for that Lab will show a list of "Featured Applications". That list always numbers 9 items, though, so it's not a complete listing. As another option, there are dnf Groups defined for "Design Suite", "Robotics", and "Security Lab" that correspond to those three labs, so dnf group info "Group Name" will show you what packages are included. The other three Labs don't have Groups, oddly.

FeRDNYC gravatar imageFeRDNYC ( 2017-09-08 07:08:30 -0600 )edit

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